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PostSubject: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:56 pm
Hi

I was just messing with A3 being Obelisk ( as i do ) when i thought of this -


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they should change the testing conditions , take away the points for wins and judge them on say on 1 meta deck ( points on dueling )and 1 non meta ( points on dueling and deck building skill ) all for Obelisk lobby only, lol i would never get in

But when i think about it , it actually could work on the principle of that being put in Obelisk lobby would show the " all round picture " of a persons skill.

We all know learning meta is/can be easy and people have a greater chance of winning and eventually everybody will achieve blue status. A meta deck and a bit of luck will see even the worst duelist through.

This idea would only be for people trying to obtain Obelisk dorm and you would have to be in Ra dorm (already) to take the test.

The current system for getting into Slifer or Ra would stay the same.

Obviously more defined detail on how points would be given and how many you would need to take you into Obelisk would have to be thought through by the testing team.

Also i think it would make the Obelisk dorm a much more respected dorm + would make getting there that little bit harder so that little bit more special.


what do you think ?


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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:06 pm
that sounds like a good idea..
PS. you should put "-EB-" as your sig so you don't have to type it each time you make a post lol


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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:08 pm
sounds awsome cuz when i get there people will finally stop ignore me!

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( Seriously a good idea though! )


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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:36 pm
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We all know learning meta is/can be easy and people have a greater chance of winning and eventually everybody will achieve blue status. A meta deck and a bit of luck will see even the worst duelist through.

This is always going to be there, no matter what, it's the testers job to do exactly what you're implying except their curriculum they go by is better than what you're suggesting, or at least more extensive. Everyone has the same cards at their disposal, thats why we appoint testers who we believe are above and beyond the 'meta' so to speak.

I don't think eventully everybody will become blue, mainly because our testers are better duelist than some members and thats what they're there for. If everyone reachs Obelisk, than hats off to them, but as a whole i don't think this suggestion will be implemented and if it were to be, i don't think it would be much fair to put restrictions on it like it only being used for Obelisk and only Ra's can attempt this, etc etc.

I think i understand where you're coming from with this idea, i really do, but i think there would need to be more refinement in this idea before its considered or at least discussed further.


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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:40 pm
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A meta deck and a bit of luck will see even the worst duelist through.

Wat are you trying to imply. (bm)

And not really if aslifer red was really bad wen he took his first test and he improved a lot and started winning BAs a lot like a pro against strong opponents and then after a while he ends up taking re-test and gets 98/100 that wouldnt be fair on him since he wont be able to go to obelisk and he will have to take the test again after he is in Ra


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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:14 am
Hi

I wasnt taking a swipe at Slifers or greens Sun i know what its like going through the ranks like you said i done it Smile

And i do know it would need more thought put into it Azi and i got great respect for the Testers and the way they do the work there doing Smile

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it's the testers job to do exactly what you're implying except their curriculum they go by is better than what you're suggesting,

I know that the idea of what im suggesting is basically the same as they do now but the difference im suggesting is taking the win points out the equasion or at least not focus on them as much.

By doing that it would show a persond capabilities in understanding meta and deck building skills through the Meta duel and Non-Meta.

We would already know there improving by there climb from Green to Ra

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or at least more extensive

By doing it that way you would be judging a persons overall skills more extensively through that process and that would take the Lv of skill to get into Obelisk that little bit higher.

But as i said its only a idea lol

i got more chance of getting Obelisk with current system than i would ever have using the one im suggesting Smile

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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:25 am
-EB- wrote:

We all know learning meta is/can be easy and people have a greater chance of winning and eventually everybody will achieve blue status. A meta deck and a bit of luck will see even the worst duelist through.
As long as you're not blue EB we'll know it's still working Wink In all seriousness you can't get to Obelisk just by winning, we changed grading awhile back to reflect that. Your win/loss is less then 20% of the test.

I'd also have to say that learning meta isn't actually easy. Someone who can play it well enough to 4-0 one of the testers deserves Ra at the least. It's not that I think it's a bad idea to make Obelisk 'harder' to get into, it's just, from past experience at Duelcity, the question of how to ban 'meta' led to a banlist longer then your arm that at least 2 out of 16 people would regularily miss a card on.
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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:32 am
It takes incredible skill to use the current meta at it's best because it requires an overall understanding not ONLY of your own deck, but of every other deck you're most likely to face, and how to change your playstyle/tech/side to account for that. The meta is also ALWAYS slightly changing, and that requires tweaks to your deck on a continual basis. To say that it's "easy" to learn is a gross misconception.

My statement is reinforced in my mind every day as I am continually playing obelisks on this site in BAs/Wars that do not know how to use/build their "meta" decks.

I'd also like to point out that on this site, Meta decks have the APPEARANCE that they're easy to run because too many ppl here want to run their non-competitive fun decks. It's tempting to think the meta is easy to use when they're always being compared to "original" decks that end up being trash. A real understanding of the meta occurs when you are surrounded by other people that understand and use the meta at its fullest potential. Unfortunately, this demographic hasn't developed into that yet.
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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:08 am
Yeah all points taken Smile

Why try fix something that aint broken lol

And true Nichi my time here has been spent learning meta and reading meta not just to play but to understand the decks im up against and im not even a quarter through them. scratch

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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:29 am
I like parts of it, seems like it's much to the same decks reaching the high scores, hunders, gravekeepers etc. basicly decks that can easily be netdecked :p

- I'd like to see a build a deck category thingie, but i don't know how it would work out.. Sad


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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:23 pm
My personal opinion on dorms is that it shouldn't be scored simply based on deck use. In my opinion, an obelisk duelist would have extensive rulings knowledge, and practical knowledge of card use. This isn't necessarily shown in a duel on ygopro because the game gives you prompts for timing. I think a written test should accompany the duel test to supplement the scoring process.
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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:13 pm
Lol if you put a written test I foresee that 90% of testees will fail to get to Obelisk.


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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:39 pm
^^While that's true, that's probably for the better. Half hte obelisks right now shouldn't be obelisks imo.

I think a written test might be a little much...and there's alot of room for loop-holing. But what could be done instead (provided it doesnt add too much more load to the testers) is to interview testees and ask them to explain exactly why they did certain things. This can probably be done for about 5 minutes after each match, and would give testers more insight on how the testee is actually making their decisions.
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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:26 pm
Oh man... does this mean I'm gonna be stripped of my status?



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PostSubject: Re: A new testing system for the Obelisk dorm    Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:28 pm
I just got in lol. But yes explaining why testee do what they did might reduce Tester misconceptions on running a certain amount of cards, why a card is in here, and it just didnt work out because of the "luck" aspect of a duel. Although some of us did go "above and beyond the" by using 1 meta to show we understand how to use them somewhat, and 1 non-tier deck and made Obelisk.


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