Hello CEA members ,

Well, given the fact that we all wait impatiently for the upcoming ban list March 2013 (I do not know exact date) I thought to make this thread to share opinions on what's coming next banlist. I guess many of you have been bored with this format...(including myself lol) and you just don't want to make any other decks until the new banlist comes out xD (it would be rather boring to change decks again...i know the feeling,its very annoying to adapt all your decks all over especially if most of them are hit and also if you have many decks!)

So I am thinking that this discussion could have 2 dimensions:

1) Share thoughts on which cards you think will get hit/come back
2) Share thoughts on which cards you wish/want to get hit/come back

* Considering the dimensions above you can just choose either of them or both if you want to,but give reasons why you think/want to see some cards of the game being/not being hit. So,I am the first to start...

Dimension 1 (think): To starth with, I'd like to say that in this format i believe much or less 5 decks have prevailed,which means that they have been widely used and these are: Mermails,Wind-Ups,Macro-Dino Rabbit,Darkworlds and Agents (pure or chaos either). From all the duels we had in this format in total i believe these are the decks you have faced most of times,like me! I'm going to begin with cards that are included in the decks mentioned above and in my opinion Konami might target them

1. Mermails have actually 3 target cards that can open up a lot of plays and thus gain strong presence field:Genex Undine,Atlantean Dragoons and Mermail Abyssmegalo. Undine just wow...this card is a great searcher along with dragoon and the combo of these 2 cards gives many pluses and options,so maybe konami could limit/semi-lim undine and/or dragoon.That could slow down the deck a lot.As for abyssmegalo i think if touched it would be semi-limited and not limited.So a combination of these could happen or just one of them.
   
2. Another pain in the ass deck is WU.That deck can xyz spam like hell and a first turn Shock Master is always "shocking" for the opponent especially if the player running WU can "read" the opponent's deck and pick a correct category of Monsters/Spells/Traps.Most times this is like...GG!
   This mainly happens due to 2 monsters:Magician and Shark.What I can see coming is Magician limited and Shark semi-limited.It could also be magician semi-lim but this card's effect is really broken...so chances are limited (of course with konami you never know!) Moreover,there's WU factory (will konami shut that factory down like it did with black whirlwind..?? lol ) It can search every WU monster..wait and is unlimited..??? I know someone could say:"Hey there's Thunder King man don't worry, and MST at 3,chill!" Well until you draw mst or king and play them(if not negated) have you thought that maybe opponent has established field with Shock Master?>> too late! So factory could get semi (if not limited)
   
3. Move on to the next deck>> Macro Rabbit! That bunny...arghh @_@ i'm sure everyone hates it when other people running it xD.Anyways,a possible option would be to get limited since its already semi.Laggia's and Dolkka's can be very annoying...first is a "solemn judgement" monster(its like having 2 solemn's in main deck) and second negates effects of monsters wherever they activate:hand,field,grave or when banished!No doubt,rabbit decks in general (this bunny is splashed everywhere :O) would lose a lot of consistency...but tbh i have seen persons that have tried to run only 1 rabbit and see if deck still explodes, as with 2 copies.In that case they have 2 leviair in extra at least to bring back rabbit and reinforce their plays...but its not the same.In that case(bunny at 1) rabbit decks would have to adjust their backrow with more cards so as to make the summon of that bunny feasible.
   
4. DarkWorlds: Hmm..another deck that has a strong presence in duels and can exterminate a lot of other decks. Here, i feel 2 cards are eligible for being hit: Snoww Unlight of DW and Dragged down into the Grave.Snoww is the searcher of the deck as it searches any "DarkWorld" card and Dragged Down can disrupt opponents strategy by discarding key cards from opponent's hand....not to mention that combined with mind crush it can kill for good opponent's hand!1st activate dragged...then set mind crush and activate during opponen'ts draw phase (in some cases you can almost make opponent GG,if you mind crush a card that's in more than 1 copy in their hand )
   
5. Agents is another deck that made a come-back since Agent Earth returned at 2 copies.At most, Chaos version of this deck is played with TGU engine,gorz,trago,chaos sorcerer etc.Honestly, i don't think konami will hit this deck.It's a decent deck to use but in my opinion it won't be touched.
   If, in any case it would be,possibly Hyperion could get semi if you ask me."And what about Kristya and Earth shuffler...???" Nah,I believe konami won't touch them. They have been both limited in the past...and i don't see any reason why to be a target again.There are other decks like Mermails,WU's and Macro-Rabbit which i think are top 3 in this format that take priority in being hit,as they are massively used!
   

Now to speak in general of some cards that is debated a lot about them being hit or not!

- Black Luster Soldier: omg...this card is just...way too op. I'm pretty sure many of you have either lost or won a duel thanks to this card,and in many cases like in an unexpectable way: Your opponent is ahead in LP and no cards in your hand...your turn, you top deck BLS and attack twice for game...kinda lame but sounds familiar..?? And this is the good scenario...what most people hate is if they are ahead in LP and opponent finishes them with a top-decked BLS...this is the moment where, if you watch the duel chat you could see many @!#!@!#T^!^@!$.....!! xD
It's certainly a very strong beater used in every chaos deck,so yeah there's a possibility it can be banned again and Chaos Sorcerer returns to 2 again (or not xD).
- Mystical Space Typhoon: Ever since this card went unlimited i have seen many decks running it x 3. It's a very good da$%#n card especially if you want to find first the set SLR (out of 4 set cards) and then activate heavy storm..right?? It is said that it might go down to 2 again.
- Monster Reborn: It's a staple card in all decks, a "must" card that can save your a$$ in certain moments during a duel.I don't know why some want this card to be banned and bring Premature Burial back :/ Premature has a cost of 800 LP (dead draw if u have less than 800 LP) which makes it so NOT versatile..plus it can only SS from your grave unlike Reborn.So what these people say is: "Ban reborn and bring back premature konami"...and what if MST stays at 3?? "You get screwed like that.." my answer to them!
- Miracle Fusion: Heroe's is one of my fav decks. Its still "alive"and a quite competitive deck than can many times otk without great effort.Miracle Fusion is another excellent card that SS Shining,Zero,Nova,Tornado etc and other E-Hero Fusion monsters with great effects.If touched,it might get semi-lim.

Dimension 2 (wish/want): Here i will only speak of cards I want/wish to come back from the banned/semi/lim lists as i think they could give some forgotten decks a chance to rise again.I'd like to see them again being played because we all know changes are good in this game,at least for those who like variety in decks they run.Also i think the return of cards im going to mention won't hurt much the today xyz Era!
- Glow-Up Bulb: I really love this card and I want it back! Maybe, in the synchro era this card was indeed broken but now who will it hurt..??
- Mezuki: I'd like to see mezuki being semi-lim so zombies can have a chance to show their potential.
-Royal Oppression: No,no im not crazy...stop shouting! lol I'd only like to see oppression back to limited so as to give decks (stun or other) a chance to face the current meta that SS and spams xyz monsters like hell! Since its LP-related its kinda difficult to use it whenever you want.Plus,not many chances to draw it (that's 1/40 to be exact )...so why not?
- Destiny Hero Disk-Commander: Those who were playing ygo2 and ygo3 can understand me Who doesn't miss the Dark Creator deck..??
- Destiny Hero - Malicious: This card is still good at 2, but I wish it could return unlimited


So,my analysis is over! There are still other cards that I didn't or forgot to refer to.Feel free to join this discussion, share your opinion and thoughts and give reasons for your choices! Correct me if i have made mistakes or forgotten certain cards!
**Remember you can either say what you think or want/wish to see being hit/coming back (or both if you want to)

PS: If I am posting this in a wrong section plz transfer it in the proper one

Interesting topic .

To start with , I don't see DWs as a big problem any more , nor it is played , so much as when it came out . Killing Grapha , means killing the whole type and if they wanted to hit it , it would have been along time ago , not now .
Mermails - That big " Ice Cow " Moulin should be hit hard and removed . It is like a bad DAD in a top deck .
Only thing I have to say for WU is DIE .
Agents / Rabbits aren't such a reasonable threat .
And an type that hasn't been hit enough , you forgot to mention - Inzectors . Hornet must go !
Sangan , was also considered an option a few ban lists ago .
About Miracle - Limiting it to 2 won't hurt any deck as much .
Finally , the card that deserves and is sure to be banned - Divine Judgement of Spell Books - no explanation needed. Only explanation needed is why it was even created.

Now let's go to the unban list .

Bulb - No one uses synchros nowadays . Give me back my bulb ! Would love to see Goyo , Brio and Trish again too . That would mostlikely even make me abandon most of my XYZ based decks !
( But now reality )
Konami is unpredictable on any matter .

Things I think will and will not get hit:
Well A lot of people say BLS is going to get hit, but if it didn't get hit while Chaos Dragons were meta, and even now where BLS doesn't do anything to the meta, WUs, Mermails, Rabbit, ect cannot run BLS. BLS will not get hit in my opinion despite it being on pretty much everyone's want list lol.

I do think that either WU Shark, WU Magician, or both will get hit next banlist. Not sure to what numbers they'd go to, but I can certainly see those getting hit.

I also could see Rabbit getting put at 1 due to the fact all you need to draw is a Rabbit and you instantly have 3800 attack on the field from the 2 Sabersauruses then overlay into either a Solemn Judgement or a double Veiler with 2400 each. All from 1 card, that does amazing with Macro in the main deck as well.

Mermail Atlanteans I could see getting hit in a number of ways, Megalo to 1, Linde to 1, Moulenglacia banned, Undine to 1, Dragoons to 1 or banned... I feel one of these are going to be coming but I'm not sure which it would be lol

Now onto the things I want to get hit:
I would like for Six Samuri United to get hit. The card is a Pot of Greed. People say "Oh you can negate it you can stop it" sure you can. But when you're running 2-3 MST and they're running 3 United, you may not even draw into your MSTs and what are you going to do? Magic Jammer it? Naturia Beast or Shien it? If the last two then you're probably also running 3 Pot of Greeds so it's irrelevant.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Naturia Beast getting hit by the ban list. Amazing in Six Sams and all you have to do to negate a spell is mill 2 cards. Basically what that means is once your opponent plays it, you don't get any spell cards at all.

BLS and monster reborn should stay here in my opinion since we should hav some top decks and boss cards to turn games around. I mean its not fun when ur opponent cornered u and there is NOTHING that can save u like reborn dark hole and BLS. we all need them

for miracle fusion, I agree that it should become semi-limited even 1 less of them would do the balancing the deck job well

as for the decks :

mermail - make magalo semi-limited (so I agree) so other new mermail cards can be plyed . but I don't think undine should be touched since u hav equal chances of drawing controller/s which means undine would be a dead draw, although I admit undine can save the duel, most ppl uses 2 or 1 of them since using 3 mean putting 3 controllers and more dead draws so I think its fine. and as for ice spirit god - Moulin (cow card), make it limited like DAD, ppl normally runs 1 of them anyway . and plus its a good boss card to use for come bcks and can also be a dead draw near the end duel since u r most likely to hav 5+ monsters in grave.

wind up - make mag limited, shark semi limited and factory limited and that's all it needs in my opinion.

Dark world - although its a dangerous deck, it is one of the easiest deck to sided against and drawing any of them normally gives u the win - marc/ fissure, soul drain, shadow imprisoning, consecrated light and maybe some more I haven't mentioned yet but for support against DW can be ri-oh, Gemini lms etc.
all I would say is semi limit the field and semi or limit grapha.

Rabbit - instead of hitting rabbit, we should hit the XYZs to limi or semi that's all . limiting the rabbit will hurt the deck (normally) since the deck is normally based on the support of rabbit.

for agents, I don't really mind them as they r right now but they should get hit still as well as SPELL BOOKS PROPHECY deck

SPELL BOOKS PROPHECY - limit high priestess -_- I don't care just limit her xD. all u r doing is showing 3 spell book cards that u r about to use and special summon the lvl 7 monster. then just use the spell cards u showed a sec ago and start SEARCHING the heck out of the deck to support the priestess. and of-course start popping the field up using its effect. then normal summon or set another card along with set quick plys u just searched out using the spells u showed. I mean why don't u just special summon the card anyway without showing the hand, its not like showing those spell cards will make a huge difference since u r gonnah use them all. and that's just 1 card. im not even gonnah start with cards like divine judgement of spellbooks coz I can keep nagging about it. spell books must get hit. and I know there is ri-oh and light imprisoning and chain disappearance but with all the other supports it has, ri-oh, imprisoning or chain normally isn't enough, not to mention u still hav to draw those cards.

dragon - plz hit light pulsar to semi and hit most of the hieratic dragon cards -_-

Fire king - limit or semi avatar garunix and DEFINATLY LIMIT REKINDLING

cards that should come bck - goyo guardian (just bring it bck and make it limited), brio (limited).

for me these r the cards that should get kicked :p.

cecko0o0o0o0o0 wrote:

Give me back my bulb ! Would love to see Goyo , Brio and Trish again too . That would mostlikely even make me abandon most of my XYZ based decks !
( But now reality )
Konami is unpredictable on any matter .

Ceck while you are right about Konami being unpredictable I honestly don't see Goyo,Brio or Trish coming back. Konami has shown that whatevers goes to banlist sometimes hardly gets back.I'd like too to see at least one of them coming back (Goyo or Trish most) but it seems rather difficult. I mean if it happens I will definetely be surprised! My explanation to their not coming back is that now synchro summons are not used a lot and many top tier decks have synchro monsters in extra only to support their xyz monsters. If i exclude mermails that have some synchro monst like BRD,Catastor,Gungnir, SSD Scrap Dragon etc..check out other decks. Most have like average 10 xyz monst and like 5 synchro if needed. Duels now are mainly focused around XYZ summon with some synchro's having being left to joining the party.To be fair,there are still some clear synchro decks (few imo) that list mostly synchro monsters but players have a tendency to want to explore more the xyz currently. First synchro monsters were introduced and became popular....that was until XYZ's monster's made their appearance and the game was taken to a whole new level. To me both synchro's and XYZ's serve a purpose in a deck and are respectively needed...but what konami has to say about that...??? xD

What I want:

Inzektor Dragonfly to 0 - this just gets +4 too easily (destroy with hornet, SS Centipede, destroy with hornet, get card - if it isn't hornet, it's just a +2...)
Rescue Rabbit to 1 - stupid Rabbit should be limited...
High Priestess of Prophecy to 2
Grapha to 1 - makes it a little harder to draw into (you can still search it with Snoww), but at least you're not staring at double Grapha
Dragged Down to 1 - looking at the hand is too strong
Mezuki to 2 - it'd be interesting to see how zombies fare with 2.
Malicious and Tengu to 3 - I rarely see Malicious being used, and semi-limiting Tengu really destroyed its place in the metagame
Mirror Force to 3 - it's pretty much been phased out for Prison, and Prison isn't always run these days

What I think:
Undine to 1
Abyssmegalo to 2
Compulsory Evacuation Device to 2
Earth to 1
WU Shark to 1
WU Magician to 2
Assault of the Fire Kings to 1
Flaming Dance - Tenki to 1
Flaming Dance - Tensu to 2
Divine Judgment of the Spellbooks to 1

Evac is becoming the Book of Moon of the game, maybe better since its effectively a BTH on XYZ and Synchros. Shark+Mag is too strong of an opening in WUs. Assault of the Fire Kings turns Garunix into a Cyber Dragon with a Dark Hole attached or just any fire mon you want. Undine and Megalo don't need an explanation. Tenki and Tensu are the main spells in Fire Fists and Tenki is arguably the best search card in the game now. Divine Judgment isn't being banned because it's new (Konami wants your money first) and you need a pretty decent hand to use it. Agents are still a top deck with 2 Earths, so they might limit it to see what happens. Venus might be another option too.

The reason I have so many cards is that the majority of the top decks are playing with little to no limitations - Mermails, Fire Fists, and DWs have no limitations, WUs only have Zenmaity hit, Rabbit only has 1 Rabbit gone; so they need to be collectively brought down in order to level the playing field. At least, that's what I think a banlist should do; who knows what Konami's thinking...

To be honest, I don't see many XYZ monsters eligible to being limited - most are only run at 1 copy these days. The only one that I think would be considered is Laggia, but I doubt it will get hit.

BLS - I honestly don't see this card being banned again. It can win games by itself, but so can a lot of other cards that aren't hit.
MST - will probably stay at 3; not everyone mains 3 (the third is usually sided in)
Reborn should stay
Miracle will probably stay as well

Anyone that says Goyo should be brought back into the game has no valid opinion.

I want goyo bck coz its cool lvl 6 synchro. I mean wat other lvl 6 synchro r there that are good for "any deck"? blue dog - no. gaia knight - has no effect, flamvell uruq - atk is too low to begin with, gravity warrior - good card but not that useful still :p.
goyo and brio were very useful in my opinion. I don't really mind them staying banned but would be good if one or both comes bck

Devil Master wrote:

goyo and brio were very useful in my opinion. I don't really mind them staying banned but would be good if one or both comes bck

Goyo and Brio were TOO useful, which is why they were banned. Goyo just frankly hit too hard for an effect like that (it hit harder than the normal Gaia Knight) and Brio just causes problems.

Goyo is a huge HUGE beater who's VERY easy to get and fits in any deck, -1's the opponent by attacking and +1 on yourself since you special summon that very same monster.

Brionac makes certain decks broken (mermailatlanteans insta tier 0)

... Are we REALLY going to talk about this?

Alright, but we might as well make this the "Official" Banlist Discussion Thread before scrubs show up making their own threads, just saying.

I won't go and begin spouting nonsense on how the current format is the most balanced it has ever been like other individuals spew at us, but I will say this format needs some massive fixing like any format.

RABBIT VARIANTS - Limiting Rabbit or Forbidding Sangan
First... we must think about this one... Is Rabbit still a threat? Yes, easy Solemn Judgment off the bat. Is Sangan it's best friend and Tour Guides boyfriend? Yes, you bet it is.
Simply put, one will see the list, or both will to ensure that the deck dies for Konami to advertise the new and hip stuff.

MERMAILS/ATLANTEANS - Limiting Atlantean Dragoon and Genex Undine
Let's face it... Konami won't hit Megalo... or any other things. They'll hit the more reasonable choices, such as the ROTA-like card, and the "outdated" card that pitches from the deck to resolve effects.

WIND-UPS - Limiting WU - Magician and WU Factory
Now, one may say Shark is the problem, but we know that's a load of bull. The easiest thing is how Magician's effect simply resolves upon a Wind-Up's effect activating and resolving, that is enough to let the Xyz Toobox users of this build that Shark will be accessible, but Magician will require work to see light.

Factory also needs to see the list, as Blackwings who lost their Continuous spell that did the exact same thing. Once this card see's a semi, we can assume that Wind-Ups will no longer be such a threat, and will be a small toolbox that can only provide a massive beatstick every turn instead of a full front row every turn.

DRAGON VARIANTS - Limiting Lightpulsar Dragon or Eclipse Wyvern
This deck has been inconsistent and gimmicky far to long, not only did other Dragon builds lose access to their Trump Card, REDMD, but other Chaos Builds lost access to Chaos Sorcerer all due to Konami wanting to avoid the limiting or banning of the key cards to the build.

Limiting Lightpulsar will really hurt the deck, and due to it's already apparent inconsistencies, kill the deck for good as it is an easy 2500 Attack beater and can set-up the grave for other Chaos Boss Monsters.

Limiting Wyvern will be an alternative to Pulsar, as Konami might still want to sell the structure deck. Personally, hitting Wyvern might be the best way to go about this as it is the card that sets-up all the plays to be added to the hand for easy picking.

With Suppressor Dragon's around the corner and their already greatly more inconsistent than these guys build, I am certain this deck will see some form of crippling.

AGENTS VARIANTS - Limiting Earth or Venus...
Agents have proven to be capable of assimilating themselves with any small engine. People use the E-Tele engine, or convert the deck build into a Chaos Variant with all the works. This deck and it's variants really needs to be knocked down a peg, and what other best way than simply limiting their two key directives.

Limiting Earth again will knock the deck back in it's place as a mere Tier 1.5 to 2 build with only potential being in the Tele or any gimmicky Engine assimilated into the deck.

Limiting Venus will surely make their instant Xyz/Synchro Engine die out and force the build to depend on other alternatives to remain semi-competitive.

Either ways, the deck loses a strong asset without other decks being hit. Now this is simply a small hit, but I doubt Konami will really hit their boss monster, who we know for a fact is the true problem in this build.


OTHER THOUGHTS
I am only hoping BLS-EoTB does not get hit while Chaos Sorcerer stays at 1, that would just really cross me.

Obscurum wrote:

DRAGON VARIANTS - Limiting Lightpulsar Dragon or Eclipse Wyvern
This deck has been inconsistent and gimmicky far to long, not only did other Dragon builds lose access to their Trump Card, REDMD, but other Chaos Builds lost access to Chaos Sorcerer all due to Konami wanting to avoid the limiting or banning of the key cards to the build.

Limiting Lightpulsar will really hurt the deck, and due to it's already apparent inconsistencies, kill the deck for good as it is an easy 2500 Attack beater and can set-up the grave for other Chaos Boss Monsters.

Limiting Wyvern will be an alternative to Pulsar, as Konami might still want to sell the structure deck. Personally, hitting Wyvern might be the best way to go about this as it is the card that sets-up all the plays to be added to the hand for easy picking.

With Suppressor Dragon's around the corner and their already greatly more inconsistent than these guys build, I am certain this deck will see some form of crippling.

Umm... let me see if I read this right: you want to further limit a deck that's already riddled with inconsistency? The words "gimmicky" and "inconsistent" aren't usually the words you use when describing ban-worthy cards. Also, how did other Chaos builds lose access to Sorcerer?

Ok, so most of what I was going to say has already been said, but I will still voice my opinion on this:
1. What NEEDS to be limited/banned?
- Ok, so, the deck that NEEDS to be knocked down a notch is wind-ups. That OTK using a Wind-up Shark and Wind-up Magician loop... it needs to go. And not come back for a long time. Best way to do this? Simple: Bring Wind-up Magician down to 1, as well as taking Wind-up Shark down to 2. It could be debated that Wind-Up Factory may need limiting along with these, but if anything it'll only be semi-limited.
- It's also time to hit mermails, also. With the amount of support they have nowadays, it's just.... urgh! Abyssmegalo needs to be semi-limited, as well as Genex Undine (not a Mermail card to be exact, but it can put Abyssmegalo into your hand in your first turn) and possibly Abyssphere. Either that or Abysslinde. One of them MUST go down to one, otherwise the inbalance will remain even if Abyssmegalo alone is semi-limited.
- With the release of the new Fire Kings archetype, it already has a new hate card: Assault of the Fire Kings. It needs to get banned. The combination of that and Fire King High Avatar Garunix means there are two Dark Holes in today's format. Dark Hole can stay at one, sure, but it's evident that this annoying Spell has to be hit. Make it limited as a minimum, but my opinion is just to outright ban it.
- I don't think anybody else approached this issue, but I think it's time for Machina Fortress to get semi-limited. I mean, you can discard ANY Machine-type monster (even if it's a level 1!) as well as Fortress to Special Summon it from your hand. 2500 attack, with minimum sacrifice, and it's at 3!?!?! This hardly seem's fair. I think it could be limited to be fair, but it needs to go down to 2 as a minimum.
- Too many comebacks from this card: Pot of Avarice. I know it's already at one, but I think it's time it was banned. In Wind-Ups alone, it's lethal just to have at one. As I stated previously, it just provokes insane comebacks which seems extreme.
- I'm personally a fan of the Gladiator Beasts archetype, and since they undermined by the current meta, I think that Bestiari can return to being at 2. It has decent ATK power, and a fair enough effect to destroy a Spell or trap when it is summoned thanks to another Beast. You don't see Murmilo at one, since that destroys a monster. Come on. Let him back in!

2. What could return from the ban list?
- There is one card that I think was unfairly banned; Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier. I would also say Brionac, but with Mermail's now in play, it's fair to say it will never be unbanned until Mermail's are hit. I am aware that Trishula did become a staple card back when it was limited, but it didn't seem to bother me much. I mean, Mist Wurm bounces 3 cards (which can't be negated by cards such as Stardust Dragon), so it can bounce Synchro/XYZ monsters back to the extra deck. So why is it that Mist Wurm is at 3, whereas Trishula is just outlawed? It deserves to go back to one, as the meta around today doesn't overuse it. My opinion: Welcome back, Trishula!
- With it's targets being severely limited nowadays, Lonefire Blossom could make it back to 2. The pure plant decks around today can be defusable easily if 2 were in there, not making it a real threat. Plus, in Synchro Plants, it's only real targets now are Spore and Dandylion (judging they don't get hit). I feel it can come back now that Glow-up Bulb is banned.

ChaosSatella wrote:

Obscurum wrote:

DRAGON VARIANTS - Limiting Lightpulsar Dragon or Eclipse Wyvern
This deck has been inconsistent and gimmicky far to long, not only did other Dragon builds lose access to their Trump Card, REDMD, but other Chaos Builds lost access to Chaos Sorcerer all due to Konami wanting to avoid the limiting or banning of the key cards to the build.

Limiting Lightpulsar will really hurt the deck, and due to it's already apparent inconsistencies, kill the deck for good as it is an easy 2500 Attack beater and can set-up the grave for other Chaos Boss Monsters.

Limiting Wyvern will be an alternative to Pulsar, as Konami might still want to sell the structure deck. Personally, hitting Wyvern might be the best way to go about this as it is the card that sets-up all the plays to be added to the hand for easy picking.

With Suppressor Dragon's around the corner and their already greatly more inconsistent than these guys build, I am certain this deck will see some form of crippling.

Umm... let me see if I read this right: you want to further limit a deck that's already riddled with inconsistency? The words "gimmicky" and "inconsistent" aren't usually the words you use when describing ban-worthy cards. Also, how did other Chaos builds lose access to Sorcerer?

The deck doesn't deserve to be untouched is what I am saying. It's major inconsistencies should be it's downfall, not an upside in which it can generate massive beatsticks by turn 2 and establish a constant state of field dominance.

And by losing access to Chaos Sorcerer, I mean traditional Chaos Builts that did not run Chaos Dragons, Agents, and so on.
They ran 2 Chaos Sorcerers, at times 3, in an attempt to beef up the build and generate some advantage, sadly due to Konami never hitting new releases, and hitting old ones to provide us some balance to a deck, Chaos saw 1 at the least, making him rarely live long to see the battle field in some games, this is of course, my opinion.

This discussion is on fire!

SilentSolitude wrote:

2. What could return from the ban list?
- There is one card that I think was unfairly banned; Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier. I would also say Brionac, but with Mermail's now in play, it's fair to say it will never be unbanned until Mermail's are hit. I am aware that Trishula did become a staple card back when it was limited, but it didn't seem to bother me much. I mean, Mist Wurm bounces 3 cards (which can't be negated by cards such as Stardust Dragon), so it can bounce Synchro/XYZ monsters back to the extra deck. So why is it that Mist Wurm is at 3, whereas Trishula is just outlawed? It deserves to go back to one, as the meta around today doesn't overuse it. My opinion: Welcome back, Trishula!

No, no, no, no. This card should stay where it is until Konami hits Agents, and badly.
I am all for "YEAH! LET'S BRING TRISH BACK!", but as long as Agents are capable of generating pluses with ease and keeping field dominance with said ease... Just... no... Should not be back until Earth and Venus are both at 1, or banned.

I just want Lonefire back to 2, so I can use plants (:

And then they can ban WU, Firefists and atlantean mermails

About rabbits, limiting rabbit would hit a lot of fun decks, instead they should limit Verz, Ophium, Dollka and Laggia.. that would do (;

And make Royal Oppression back to 1 if they insist on having 3 mst and heavy around..

Boattack wrote:

About rabbits, limiting rabbit would hit a lot of fun decks, instead they should limit Verz, Ophium, Dollka and Laggia.. that would do (;

And make Royal Oppression back to 1 if they insist on having 3 mst and heavy around..

... Just... No.

Rabbit is the problem.

It generates a +1 with no drawback by simply special summoning 2 Normal Level 4 monsters, who by the way, are guaranteed to be 1800+ Attack with little exceptions.
The +1 generation thins the deck considerably by 2 cards, as stated before, with no drawbacks.
The +1 generation can become more pluses as the monsters are always beatsticks, leading to them being able to mow over a majority of Level 4's like it ain't no thing.
It allows "Selective" Instant Xyz, leading to massive game changing plays, such as Types, Archetypes, or Attributes. This includes: Evolzars, Evilswarm, Sharks, and so on.
It is Sangan searchable and Leviair retrievable.
Even at 2, it is still a huge threat along with Tour Guide being a highly splashable Engine that will only seize use when Sangan is banned.

Did I mention how Rabbit is the problem?

I think I made my point.

Obscurum wrote:

Boattack wrote:

About rabbits, limiting rabbit would hit a lot of fun decks, instead they should limit Verz, Ophium, Dollka and Laggia.. that would do (;

And make Royal Oppression back to 1 if they insist on having 3 mst and heavy around..

... Just... No.

Rabbit is the problem.

It generates a +1 with no drawback by simply special summoning 2 Normal Level 4 monsters, who by the way, are guaranteed to be 1800+ Attack with little exceptions.
The +1 generation thins the deck considerably by 2 cards, as stated before, with no drawbacks.
The +1 generation can become more pluses as the monsters are always beatsticks, leading to them being able to mow over a majority of Level 4's like it ain't no thing.
It allows "Selective" Instant Xyz, leading to massive game changing plays, such as Types, Archetypes, or Attributes. This includes: Evolzars, Evilswarm, Sharks, and so on.
It is Sangan searchable and Leviair retrievable.
Even at 2, it is still a huge threat along with Tour Guide being a highly splashable Engine that will only seize use when Sangan is banned.

Did I mention how Rabbit is the problem?

I think I made my point.

Rabbit is easily countered tho.. Let them summon the two 1800 atk beaters, use bottomless and they both get removed..
Use Effect veiler, and rabbit is useless for a turn to beat him, use solemn warning, fiendish chain, compulsory or any of the other many cards that stops rabbit, or makes the normal monsters useless... Rabbit ISN'T the problem, the only problem is their big backrows and easy way to summon dollka, laggia and Ophium, which is the only reason, rabbit is dangerous..

About the sangan/ Tour guide engine, i never really understood why.. I see how sangan can search rabbit or touguide, but when ss'ed with tour guide and xyzed into a mob, it loses its effect when detached, where tour bus still gets it effect when detached, to throw a boss mob, or any other usefull mob back in play..

In Any rabbit deck, theres allways the risk of drawing your normal monsters before rabbit, and thats pretty inconsistant in itself.. They still have the ability to come back tho, from summoning dollka or laggia, if they can protect their monster with their backrows... Limiting Dollka, Laggia and Ophium to 1 would hit rabbit decks, since u can only use them once... And Laggia itself is pretty easy to kill if u bluff.

I'd also hope, that by limiting the dino and verz decks, there will be more room for creativity and new Rabbit deck could see the light, as to creative thinking (:

Here is my point about this:

Dimension 1:

WU and Mermail will probably be hit by the next ban list. Personally, these decks are used much time. I think they will probably limit magician and shark like they does with inzector. For mermail, abysslinde and abyss sphere will be hit, for sure.

About DW, I don't think they plan to touch them, and it's someone who don't really like them who say you that. The thing is it's way easy to beat them, and they even release some cards to stun them easily. For BLS, they just have returned it to 1, so they will surely not plan to reban it. But I laught if, one day, they put CED limit to 1.

Glow-up will not return, since I heard synchro monsters will come back in force in the next booster pack. Chaos dragons will probably limit eclipse wyvern, since the new trap card ''Dragon Fang Reincarnation'' will come out, that will totally overkill (and think if CED will come back......)

I heard a rumor saying that Exodia will be banned, but that's just rumor. If possible, it surely because of peoples who use it too much in a FTK deck. Oh! And apparently, Koa'ki Meiru Doom will be banned because of his frequent use in tournament.

Dimension 2

I wish BLS to be banned becauseof his frequent use, but that's a mere dream. About Koa'ki Meiru Doom, I'm totally good about it. I wish, in the most, that decks about OTK or FTK will be limited or banned to finally have true duel!

What i want :
BLS --> 0
Grapha --> 2
WU Shark --> 2
Magician --> 1
Factory --> 1
Dragoon --> 2//1
Dragged Down --> 1
Rekindling --> 2
Assault of Fire Kings --> 1

One for One at 2
Wind-Up Shark at 1
Macro Cosmos at 2
Deep Sea Diva at 1

Boattack wrote:

Rabbit is easily countered tho.. Let them summon the two 1800 atk beaters, use bottomless and they both get removed..
Use Effect veiler, and rabbit is useless for a turn to beat him, use solemn warning, fiendish chain, compulsory or any of the other many cards that stops rabbit, or makes the normal monsters useless... Rabbit ISN'T the problem, the only problem is their big backrows and easy way to summon dollka, laggia and Ophium, which is the only reason, rabbit is dangerous..

About the sangan/ Tour guide engine, i never really understood why.. I see how sangan can search rabbit or touguide, but when ss'ed with tour guide and xyzed into a mob, it loses its effect when detached, where tour bus still gets it effect when detached, to throw a boss mob, or any other usefull mob back in play..

In Any rabbit deck, theres allways the risk of drawing your normal monsters before rabbit, and thats pretty inconsistant in itself.. They still have the ability to come back tho, from summoning dollka or laggia, if they can protect their monster with their backrows... Limiting Dollka, Laggia and Ophium to 1 would hit rabbit decks, since u can only use them once... And Laggia itself is pretty easy to kill if u bluff.

I'd also hope, that by limiting the dino and verz decks, there will be more room for creativity and new Rabbit deck could see the light, as to creative thinking (:

It does not matter how easily Rabbit is countered, not everyone mains Veiler's, nor do they main Bottomless.
It is also the fact that Rabbit generates pluses, and as far as the game is concerned, if a card generates a huge plus at no expense, it is indeed the problem.
Why did Disk Commander get hit?
Because it's special summon generated a +1 no matter what situation there was, and that was just not dandy.

Rabbit once hit to 1, will in it's own right be considered balanced, and individuals will more likely use Evilswarm or Evolsaur-based builds to even summon the monsters Rabbit was infamous for the 1-turn Xyzing and Locking down the opponent.

Creativity in the Yu-Gi-Oh! Community will remain as scarce as rivers in Arizona, while people don't bother to conjure up their own deck recipes over time, and attend YCS' with them, then it will just stay as such.

Imperial Iron Wall and you kill the rabbit. Solemn to kill the xyz. Skill drain to kill the xyz effect. Also, you forgot that if you have already 2 normal monsters with the same name in your hand, you get a little stunned?